How To Find Your Real Driver. It Was Never Money artwork
The Elite Recruiter Podcast

How To Find Your Real Driver. It Was Never Money

  • S1E344
  • 58:44
  • July 24th 2026

Across more than 5,000 recruiters, Michelle Flynn has run the same values exercise. Not once, not a single time, has money come up as a core value. So if money is not your real driver, what is? And what happens to your career, your business, and your health when you finally find out?

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Part 2 of this conversation starts tactical and goes somewhere most recruiting podcasts never touch. Michelle, the coach one client dubbed the Wendy Rhoades of recruiting, opens with the top biller's morning and what elite performers actually do before 9am. She breaks down the pre call ritual for dialing a Fortune 500 C suite, what flow state really looks like on a recruiting desk, and how many genuine flow cycles a day is humanly possible. Then she runs a live breathwork session right on the episode, the same nervous system reset she teaches at the biggest recruitment conferences, and you can follow along at your desk.

From there the conversation flips to the question the whole series has been building toward: how to find your real driver. Michelle walks through the exercise she has used with over 5,000 recruiters and explains why money never survives to the final list of core values, what actually shows up instead, and what that means for how you build your desk or your firm. She takes Benjamin through pieces of the Life Audit live, shares the most dramatic transformations she has watched, including a client whose sleep score went from the 40s to 98 and another who lost 6 stone, and gets honest about the two fears that quietly trap founders, the fear of failing and the fear of succeeding. She also speaks to the loneliness of leaving the big office to go solo, the one thing she would fix about the recruitment industry, whether AI is actually costing recruiters money right now, and the question she wishes recruiters would ask her but never do.

If Part 1 was about the collapse and the foundations, this is the payoff: what all the placements are actually for, and how to build a career that your body and your life can afford.

Client stories and figures in this episode, including the 5,000 recruiter count and transformation results, are Michelle's own account of her coaching work as shared on the show.

Missed Part 1? The 20 placements a month desk and the collapse that came with it: https://open.spotify.com/episode/3IRlRouHl8t0ogOU5SbH1r?si=fC3_i1LlTAucQkCcEGr1qw

or on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/20-placements-a-month-put-her-in-the-hospital/id1547241660?i=1000778005710

Connect with Michelle Flynn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/michelleflynn/

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Benjamin Mena is the founder of Select Source Solutions and the host of The Elite Recruiter Podcast — one of the top global podcasts for agency and executive recruiters. With over a decade of experience placing top talent in the government contracting (GovCon) and cleared space, Ben brings a no-BS approach to the business of recruiting.

Each week, he interviews high-performing recruiters, agency owners, and industry innovators to uncover the real stories behind their success. From six-figure solo producers to million-dollar billers and AI-powered solopreneurs, Ben’s mission is simple: help recruiters level up their careers and businesses through actionable insights, raw conversations, and a community of like-minded professionals.

Based between the U.S. and Bordeaux, France, Ben is also a dad, summit host, and advocate for the future of AI-powered recruiting.